[TSE] Personality: Shinjo Min-Hee 'The Khan'

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What do you think of The Khan?

Poll ended at Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:45 pm

Great: Hell Ya The Khan is back.
35
52%
Great: For the Khaaaannnnn!!!!!!
28
42%
Poor: I don't play Unicorn so it sucks.
1
1%
Good: Not to be played in all decks, but its the MFn Khan
3
4%
 
Total votes: 67
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:15 am

Shinjo Atreyu wrote:
Moto Geun Suk wrote:I think Village Guardians became Min-Hee's strongest follower ally yet. With Moto Jun-ni, VG becomes cavalry. Add something like Daigotsu Kazuko, and you have a 1 or 2-card draw engine running.

Between Kazuko, Perfect Sacrifice, Deadly Orders and the occasional kamikaze attack, Min-Hee would read like "Target Village Guardians in your discard pile. At your next Limited action, play Village Guardians and draw 1 or 2 cards".

Granted, the Guardians don't have a built-in Cavalry, but I wouldn't mind including them when I get my cards on The Khan.
Dude. That simple one-two combo of "I discard VG for a card" and "I attach VG from graveyard with Jun-ni and draw cards" almost single-handedly makes me want to switch from Tacticians to Commanders/Super-friends.

The Khaaaaaaaaaaaan is amazing!
You don't draw cards when attaching Village Guardian from the discard pile.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:32 am

Her limited doesn't attach from the discard, it puts it in your hand. From there you can attach it and draw. Very interesting jank.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:36 am

Shinjo Zhao wrote:Ahh good times to be a unicorn players. thought i wished she had the paragon trait (me being shameless and greedy) but eitherway i love everything else, especially drew baker as artist for this card
Nothing the Spirit of the Paragon couldn't fix ;)

She has solid keywords. Adding one more would be justifiable.

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:48 am

Utaku Ashley wrote:Her limited doesn't attach from the discard, it puts it in your hand. From there you can attach it and draw. Very interesting jank.
I know, I was responding to Atreyu.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:51 am

Daigotsu Thrakhath wrote:
You don't draw cards when attaching Village Guardian from the discard pile.
Yeah, I just noticed that. Sad panda. :(

Still, I really like the potential for draw/discard cycling fueling facets of various decks. You could put her in a Tacticians deck and use her printed abilities to enable the Tactical discard of followers you aren't using (Focus value for Force) until you need them; and when they die after you *do* play them, you then use her ability to pull them back in. Rinse, Repeat.

Same also works as potential dueling Meta, though this isn't as primary an interest (hello re-using focus effects!).
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:16 am

Having Followers as a source of discard is never a bad thing as it makes the following better.

Jurojin's Wisdom, Bamboo Harversters XP, Tacticians, Deadly Orders, Village Guardian ( bring back and re-attach form hand), Champion of Thunder (try killing that twice in one game) and that's off the top of head.

Downsides to Khan.. Min-Hee isn't a conqueror ( although one more trait would make this Satsu) and Min-Hee does break fundamental rules of the game ( like growing an extra province, moving after being in resolution) I see those as not much to complain about.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:43 am

MotoKCi wrote:I thought Tselu have a better claim to Champion, man, i really hope he's not going to have Kolat printed on his card....
I think you mean Taigo. And yeah, he would have more of a claim than Min-Hee.

Love the new Khan though and I can't wait to see what she can do.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:54 pm

The only thing I don't like about her is the Tactical Battle being tactical and it specifying a card with out attachments too... Other wise she's great!!!
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:32 pm

Double Decker wrote:The only thing I don't like about her is the Tactical Battle being tactical and it specifying a card with out attachments too... Other wise she's great!!!
I too would prefer her if she had a totally costless kill action, through attachments and could still Tac a province afterwards. Shame.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:16 pm

Amazing art, solid abilities, good ratios, she may be a total bitch in character but I will play her all arc in my commander deck. Also provides incentive to run followers in the tactician based decks.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:56 pm

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:29 pm

i don't like that her ability is a tact one- once again DT shuts one of our guys off from using thematic cards if we want to use her ability

also makes you use mostly crappy followers to get full use out of her abilites- maybe there's some combo there w/ deadly orders or village guardian or something we haven't seen yet- at least gets us some more follower recursion which is something we really needed since followers tend to die when hit w/ a light breeze-

at least she's a 6F tact for 10G

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:27 pm

Moto Muck wrote:i don't like that her ability is a tact one- once again DT shuts one of our guys off from using thematic cards if we want to use her ability

also makes you use mostly crappy followers to get full use out of her abilites- maybe there's some combo there w/ deadly orders or village guardian or something we haven't seen yet- at least gets us some more follower recursion which is something we really needed since followers tend to die when hit w/ a light breeze-

at least she's a 6F tact for 10G
Maybe design thought it would be a bit much for her to be able to kill a defender and still be able to take a province without some sort of attachment. Her Battle ability is strong, yes it would be stronger if it had less of a cost, but its not necessary, it would be too strong.

She is Moto Xiao, and for an extra 2 gold we gain a keyword, pick up an added bonus on the kill action and get a limited action as well. I will take that.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:07 pm

U forgot to mention she have the option to solo provinces, better than Xiao to me.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:39 pm

Shinjo Dalu wrote: Maybe design thought it would be a bit much for her to be able to kill a defender and still be able to take a province without some sort of attachment.
It's almost like she can fetch that attachment from the discard...

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:52 am

Seems really good with a tactician centric deck. Discard followers into the yard. Get them back to discard again or play them from the discard pile.

Tact/Commander out of Ki-Rin seems like a legit possibility... at least it looks like a lot of fun.
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:13 am

I was reading over the comments in the Moto Mario thread, and I have to agree that followers are getting a lot of hate right now, so her while her ability is great, relying on her for her and Jun-Ni for follower support might not be the best.

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